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and the romney ryan one of the vents during the summit your way out the romney ryan plan obviously has holes in it and when you talk about these things and the reasonable thing that we can talk about is that when they say they're going to close loopholes they really haven't addressed specifics and there's a reason for that this is politically toxic to try and do that because there's a lot of industries and a lot of voters who are waiting so they see the reality they don't have the same time though the same time you can get all you want but at the same time when it comes to the path to prosperity i think that ryan is being honest there with the prospect of a lot some place but ryan's way out there and it's plain but that's that's that's when you're running on there's no there's no hollowness to the reality that we are heading towards a fiscal cliff and the only ticket this really looking to address that right now is the republican ticket there's no question of us as you say and this is part of the problem the problem that you have is you have the president who's laid out specifically wa
and the romney ryan one of the vents during the summit your way out the romney ryan plan obviously has holes in it and when you talk about these things and the reasonable thing that we can talk about is that when they say they're going to close loopholes they really haven't addressed specifics and there's a reason for that this is politically toxic to try and do that because there's a lot of industries and a lot of voters who are waiting so they see the reality they don't have the same time...
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. >> they first blamed the youtube video, now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket >> that's a bunch of malarkey. >> the first and only vice presidential debate held tonight in kentucky. joe biden facing off against paul ryan. a much more heated match compared to the one between president obama and mitt romney. they talked about national security, foreign policy, taxes, jobs, and clashed over whether the new healthcare reform law put medicare on sounder footing. >> they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning medicare into a piggy bank for obamacare. their own actuaries said 1-6 hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this >> that's not what they said. >> millions of seniors are projected to lose the coverage they have. >> that didn't happen. more people signed up . whoa, whoa. more people signed up for medicare advantage after the change. nobody is saying that. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost rounds. [ laughter ] >> i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting >> don't take al
. >> they first blamed the youtube video, now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket >> that's a bunch of malarkey. >> the first and only vice presidential debate held tonight in kentucky. joe biden facing off against paul ryan. a much more heated match compared to the one between president obama and mitt romney. they talked about national security, foreign policy, taxes, jobs, and clashed over whether the new healthcare reform law put medicare on sounder footing....
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romney -- mr. ryan came across as the better candidate for many reasons. joe biden came across to me as a tranquil man, very unlikable and very un presidential. he was staring, rude, interrupting, talking over and out of turn. a very destructive, laughing, smirking, shaking his head, -- pointing the finger, angry tone of voice. very condescending. he spoke more than ryan did by over a minute, almost two minutes more. fact checkers have already gone over the time. i thought ryan had a stronger finish, as the independent spoke earlier said, and i thought joe biden came across as having more experience and very aggressive, but over aggressive. he was not professional. he was not using decorum. a thought the moderator using the system, the format she used, seemed to interrupt ryan much more often than riot -- and biden, not letting him finish his statements. that bothers me. overall, i thought ryan had a great finish. he had a strong closing statement. i thought, overall, he did a much better job portraying himself as presidential. a polite young man. a very p
romney -- mr. ryan came across as the better candidate for many reasons. joe biden came across to me as a tranquil man, very unlikable and very un presidential. he was staring, rude, interrupting, talking over and out of turn. a very destructive, laughing, smirking, shaking his head, -- pointing the finger, angry tone of voice. very condescending. he spoke more than ryan did by over a minute, almost two minutes more. fact checkers have already gone over the time. i thought ryan had a stronger...
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paul ryan came in, had to defend mitt romney. had to prove he was president. god forbid if he was president. there wasn't a wipeout in this debate. both sides came in, thinking we'll leave prosecute what we have to do. >> let's go to our panelist, joe biden. >> show me a policy where you take responsibility. by the way, the great recession, it fell out of the sky it came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card and put a preskrichgs drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. >> a quick takeaway. >> i think joe biden did do his boss a lot of help tonight. on substance, i think it was a draw. each side will draw a lot of encouragement from it. on style, i think paul ryan won the debate. and that is, the biden, the dismissive laughs, shouting, interruptions, ryan was calmer and more presidential on style, not substance. on substance, i thought it was a draw. >> it was condescending to paul ryan and i could have done with a lot less eye rolling and chuckling on the part of joe biden. however, i thought it was a gr
paul ryan came in, had to defend mitt romney. had to prove he was president. god forbid if he was president. there wasn't a wipeout in this debate. both sides came in, thinking we'll leave prosecute what we have to do. >> let's go to our panelist, joe biden. >> show me a policy where you take responsibility. by the way, the great recession, it fell out of the sky it came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card and put a preskrichgs drug benefit on the credit card, a...
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joe biden simply dismantled the romney/ryan world view. but also talk about how the right wingers are trying to make a big deal out of joe biden's smile. so what? i would have been outright laughing in paul ryan's face. joe biden was fed up and who could blame him? >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> and why is that so? >> because not a single thing he said is accurate. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what do you mean a bunch of stuff? >> it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> thanks for the translation. okay. >> malarkey. a bunch of stuff. i love it. i love it. biden systematically took apart ryan's arguments for less government, let's accountability, let's community. it got so bad, paul ryan was driven to drink. literally. he went back to that cup of water over and over again. by our last count, at least 21 time. what's the matter there, mr. ryan? got a little cotton mouth? last night the romney/ryan effort was exposed as a shield for the extreme far right and vice president biden drove that point home again and ag
joe biden simply dismantled the romney/ryan world view. but also talk about how the right wingers are trying to make a big deal out of joe biden's smile. so what? i would have been outright laughing in paul ryan's face. joe biden was fed up and who could blame him? >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> and why is that so? >> because not a single thing he said is accurate. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what do you mean a bunch of stuff? >>...
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unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have seen about undecided was done by any major network was cbs and it was pretty clear who won the debate amongst uncommitted voters, ryan 31%, biden 50%. he smashed him which was my reading of it in the moment. >> look, people are voting right now in ohio. so if you've made up your mind in ohio and you watched last night's debate, you were energized and went out to the polls and voted, that makes an impact on the election. governor romney can't win without ohio. there are, there is a narrow sliver of voters that are still in play in some of these states. i thin
unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have...
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the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in future shows. joe biden also dipped paul ryan in tar and rolled him in feathers on the issue of the stimulus. and mr. ryan's supposed principles on that issue. we talked about that moments ago with chris hayes. but there are two things that i think are hugely important to the presidential campaign that happened last night. two things that i, frankly, never thought we would get to. and that we got to and, boy, howdy, is this new territory. first was this. >> you asked, do i feel free? let me put it to you this way. i earned capital in
the romney/ryan spending plan here. but last night martha raddatz's questioning and joe biden's badgering got paul ryan to disavow this plan altogether saying he does not want an increase at all despite the fact it is what he and mr. romney has been campaigning on. paul ryan broke new ground on saying how and why he and mitt romney would overturn roe v. wade and make abortion criminal. his issue on rape in particular has people going nuts today for obvious reasons. we'll be covering that in...
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biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. i have had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here, and instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. >> joe klein, that's
biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a...
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obviously, romney and ryan looked a little better. butryan did this sickly sweet smile and bid wasen -- romney was smug, obama looked down and lockand -- >> the legitimate response is one of paying your. -- is one of a year. -- of anger. the president was an emotional when romney was openly fabricating about administration policy and his own positions. and his failure to show any emotion, that belied to some viewers and voters a sense of weakness. >> thank you. see you next week. >> for a transcript of this broadcast, log onto inside a space washington.tv. >> inside washington is brought to you from the american federation of government employees, proud to make america work. for about afge and membership, visit
obviously, romney and ryan looked a little better. butryan did this sickly sweet smile and bid wasen -- romney was smug, obama looked down and lockand -- >> the legitimate response is one of paying your. -- is one of a year. -- of anger. the president was an emotional when romney was openly fabricating about administration policy and his own positions. and his failure to show any emotion, that belied to some viewers and voters a sense of weakness. >> thank you. see you next week....
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ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme court is in the balance. but one of the things that i like -- i noticed that ryan can't expla
ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate...
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the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. >>> as for the men at the top of the ticket, president obama will remain in washington today to prepare for his next debate next week and mitt romney will be campaigning in the battleground states of ohio and virginia friday. so who do you think won the debate? tell us why, too. you can comment on facebook or twitter, or email us at mornings@cbs5.com. >>> meanwhile, ryan's making some news for something other than the debate. "time" magazine has released photos of the wisconsin congressman working out. they are actually outtakes of a photo shoot from last year. some critics accuse the editors of the magazine of trying to make ryan look young and trivial. ryan has said he began a commitment to fitness when he was 16 years old after he found his father dead of a heart attack. >>> for more political coverage, just check our exclusive presidential forum on cbssf.com. every day the candidates weigh in
the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. >>> as for the men at the top of the ticket, president obama will remain in washington today to prepare for his next debate next week and mitt romney will be campaigning in the battleground states of ohio and virginia friday. so who do you think won the debate? tell us why, too. you can comment on facebook or...
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obviously, romney and ryan worked it out in little better. but paul ryan had this sickly sweet and semi smile and smug. obama was disastrous looking down all the time. joe biden had the smile takick. none of it was good. if you put the camera on trout's while i was talking a he is gog li this -- on charles while i was talking and he is going like this. >> what i am talking about on strength is, if i sit here and i lie about charles -- what happens is that the legitimate response is one of anger. you're lying again and i ll not take it. the president was an emotional when romney was openly fabricating about administration policy and his own positions and his failure to show any emotion , that the lied to viewers and voters a sense of weakness. >> see you next week. >> for a transcript to this broadcast, right to inside washington. >> brought to you in part by the american federation of government employees, proud to make america work. for more information about afge and membership, visit
obviously, romney and ryan worked it out in little better. but paul ryan had this sickly sweet and semi smile and smug. obama was disastrous looking down all the time. joe biden had the smile takick. none of it was good. if you put the camera on trout's while i was talking a he is gog li this -- on charles while i was talking and he is going like this. >> what i am talking about on strength is, if i sit here and i lie about charles -- what happens is that the legitimate response is one of...
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you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during the debate thought ryan looked a little bit smug at times. ryan, of course, is young, he has to worry about looking like the junior varsity against the older guy. bottom line, i don't think anybody dominated the debate but i thought ryan did well and i think basically what we've done is set the table for the debate next week with obama and romney. that is going to determine what the next pivot in this race is. >> john, just to bring up a couple of points. we did have an informal poll on cnbc, about 3,000 people wrote in, based on what they have been writ
you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists...
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the issue that paul ryan would take, and mitt romney would take. i was surprised they didn't have that resolved by the time they were running. >> jennifer: i agree with you. any time you get a new ticket that will be the new problem. >> but the potential gaffes of biden i think is a real concern. >> jennifer: i hope there is an opportunity for him to respond to that. i have a clip of joe biden in 2008 responding to this issue. >> you're very kind suggesting my only achilles heel is my lack of discipline. others talk about my excessive passion. i'm not going change. i have 35 years in public office, i haven't changed in that time. >> jennifer: come on, you have to love that guy. >> we do love him, and we love that he is out there. he provides us with great opportunities. >> jennifer: we do too. karen -- actually i want to play for both of you, a couple of statements that paul ryan has gotten four pinocchios for one is his convention speech and one that mitt romney has been criticized for. so take a listen to these two sound bites. >> romney: i can't
the issue that paul ryan would take, and mitt romney would take. i was surprised they didn't have that resolved by the time they were running. >> jennifer: i agree with you. any time you get a new ticket that will be the new problem. >> but the potential gaffes of biden i think is a real concern. >> jennifer: i hope there is an opportunity for him to respond to that. i have a clip of joe biden in 2008 responding to this issue. >> you're very kind suggesting my only...
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the president's team said the debate exposed the risk of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the candidate also disagreed over foreign policy. congressman ryan pointing to the death of four americans in libya as the administration weakness on abroad while biden said romney's campaign talks first before they know what the facts are. back to you. >>> that cbs news poll found the overall impressions of both vice presidential candidate improved after the debate. 55% of those asked if bid inis somebody they can relate to. 48% for ryan. 74% also say that about ryan about being knowledgeable and 85 for biden. >>> cbsnews.com senior political reporter breaks down last night's faceoff. >> reporter: joe biden came out very aggressive in this debate and maintained that tone throughout. to republicans he was rude. they were using the word unhinged, complaining about his smirking. for democrats it's exactly what they wanted to see. a week ago president obama was very passive in his debate against mitt romney. it was frustrating for democrats. they wanted to see him take to it mitt romney.
the president's team said the debate exposed the risk of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the candidate also disagreed over foreign policy. congressman ryan pointing to the death of four americans in libya as the administration weakness on abroad while biden said romney's campaign talks first before they know what the facts are. back to you. >>> that cbs news poll found the overall impressions of both vice presidential candidate improved after the debate. 55% of those asked if bid inis...
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some people say he started the bleeding of paul ryan and mitt romney, but i think his job in the debate is to end last week for the obama-biden campaign. first i want to ask you, do you think he was able to accomplish that. >> i think he did. he certainly did that last night. he changed the narrative. whether or not the administration was back on its heels, afraid or unable to engage unable to loosen up and take it to the other side, we saw that and more. interestingly enough we have a retroactive answer to why the president last week may be seemed a little stiff, maybe didn't seem so jovial. didn't loosen up and try to engage mitt romney. as we saw last night it can be jarring. not everybody liked it. >> that's something i want to ask you thomas frank this style, are we reading too much into it or did it matter a lot last night. >> it's a vice presidential debate, so by definition it did not matter a whole lot. i tell you, i had two really different reactions to it. i read the debate before i came to the studio. i read the transcription of the debate and i agreed with joe biden on almo
some people say he started the bleeding of paul ryan and mitt romney, but i think his job in the debate is to end last week for the obama-biden campaign. first i want to ask you, do you think he was able to accomplish that. >> i think he did. he certainly did that last night. he changed the narrative. whether or not the administration was back on its heels, afraid or unable to engage unable to loosen up and take it to the other side, we saw that and more. interestingly enough we have a...
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budget plan and romney/ryan plan. from the denver debate that was the strategy to have the vice president sort of shake things up a bit. i'm not sure if all of the smiling and hectoring was necessarily part of the plan. it is joe biden being joe biden. and that perhaps was not ideal. i think if you were listening to this on the radio which, of course, not many people were it was probably a different biden performance. i think they were fine with it overall because he got a lot of his points across. >> chris: moved the needle at all or a nonevent? >> a nonevent. gave the president a few days to have democrats stop complaining about him. i think we are not talking about this very much. i mean it is a forward looking thing and the vice presidential candidates are the vice presidential candidates. >> chris: laura, a quick last word. >> most people will remember one thing out of the of that debate. the smirking and mugging to the camera and interrupting. regular people who aren't all that political say he is the vice presi
budget plan and romney/ryan plan. from the denver debate that was the strategy to have the vice president sort of shake things up a bit. i'm not sure if all of the smiling and hectoring was necessarily part of the plan. it is joe biden being joe biden. and that perhaps was not ideal. i think if you were listening to this on the radio which, of course, not many people were it was probably a different biden performance. i think they were fine with it overall because he got a lot of his points...
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can a reduction in rates really spur the romney ryan growth? let's bring in guests and find out it's true. doug and mark, great to see both of you. doug, the romney/ryan plan will reduce rates like 20%. let's forget the lool hope for a moment. see the top rate go down from 35% to 28%. that's certainly not a drop, like jfk did or romney did. can 35 to 28 spark real gdp growth? >> i think we're in a very different world and quite frankly a better world. the feature they have in common, often not appreciated, these are permanent tax reforms, and they have much bigger impacts. it makes sense. a tax cut for a day, you wouldn't do much. and it would change a lot of things, the research supports that notion, an important part of this, a tax reform, permanent change that eliminates the changes. and it reduces complexity. complexity causes people to, a, waste money with tax planning and lawyers and leads to you waste business decisions on the basis of taxes, not business fundamentals and erodes faye faith in the tax system. and the combination of person
can a reduction in rates really spur the romney ryan growth? let's bring in guests and find out it's true. doug and mark, great to see both of you. doug, the romney/ryan plan will reduce rates like 20%. let's forget the lool hope for a moment. see the top rate go down from 35% to 28%. that's certainly not a drop, like jfk did or romney did. can 35 to 28 spark real gdp growth? >> i think we're in a very different world and quite frankly a better world. the feature they have in common,...
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ryan infected by moderate massachusetts mitt romney? >> well, i think what you heard this morning when i asked him this question, and he as mitted there were differences between them but he also tried to say the differences between romney and ryan pale in comparison to the differences between the obama ticket and the romney ticket, but he seemed to indicate that ryan's job is to defend the romney plan and the romney budget. i do think what chris points out, that what biden's strategy is going to be is to try to create a split, is try to put him in an awkward position, make him defend one or the other. i think one thing to watch for tonight is it's my understanding -- from when i was talking to the campaigns, if they get one thing out of biden tonight, the obama campaign, that is to make the base of the democratic party feel better tonight, that he gets a little aggressive, that he goes after some core issues like abortion, like contraception to make the base feel better. on the ryan side, they know they sort of have in a weird way they
ryan infected by moderate massachusetts mitt romney? >> well, i think what you heard this morning when i asked him this question, and he as mitted there were differences between them but he also tried to say the differences between romney and ryan pale in comparison to the differences between the obama ticket and the romney ticket, but he seemed to indicate that ryan's job is to defend the romney plan and the romney budget. i do think what chris points out, that what biden's strategy is...
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isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you listen very carefully to what romney always says, he says he's going to cut rates 20% and then he's going to see to it that those at the top don't pay a larger share of the total tax burden. well, that means that they're going to get a huge decrease in their tax bill. that's the important element. that is the ryan/romney plan, it is to create dynastic wealth which i think would be devastating
isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that...
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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...